Let me say a couple things by way of caveat:
I am not a whackjob with unrealistic expectations. I do not believe that infants should sleep through the night without eating. I am willing to recognize that 5:00 am can be a legitimate wake-up time if the kid is well rested.
Right now, my priorities are to get Tiny Boy (and hopefully therefore myself) more sleep, and to get him to sleep in the crib, at least for naps and part of the night.
If you use CIO and it works for your family, great. If you are a major attachment parenting/co-sleeping advocate, and that works for your family, great. But please keep in mind--because you are talking to a majorly sleep deprived mama here--that not all sleep solutions work for all families. Some things I CANNOT AND WILL NOT DO:
1. Wear my baby to sleep.
2. Let him suck on me all night long.
3. Let my kid scream himself to sleep.
That said, my major parenting/sleep philosophy has been, since LG was tiny: healthy kids and healthy families require sleep; do what you need to do to get sleep. This has meant, among other things, putting LG to bed at 6:30 pm and skipping school functions. Co-sleeping until both parties involved weren't benefiting anymore. Walking Tiny Boy in the stroller for the entirety of a nap. Sitting with him in the rocking chair at 4:00 am. Keeping myself in bed with him for 2 hours if that gets him a reasonable nap.
But I am at my wits' end with Tiny Boy right now. And, honestly, I think Tiny Boy is tired (all puns intended) of his own behavior right now, as he is crying the desperate wail of the overtired baby. All my tricks--the rocking, the nursing, the walking, the pacifier--aren't working right now. Every night, we go through this stupid ritual during which he nurses, falls asleep, wakes up, screams his head off and thrashes around, at which point I put him in the peapod (aka the woombie) so he doesn't punch me, and jiggle him until he calms down enough to rock to sleep. And then he's awake 20-40 minutes later and we do the whole fucking thing over again. (Yes, he often pulls the same shit at naptime with his babysitter.)
Last night I actually let him cry in the middle of the night (maybe for 10 minutes). What that accomplished, apparently, was making him appreciate the breast I then popped in his mouth and then was in a deep enough sleep that I could dump him on the bed far enough away that we weren't touching and not hear from him again for 1.5 hrs. Which is pretty much a Tiny Boy record these days.
Right now, he's fallen back to sleep (you know, after nursing at 3:00 and 4:00 and 5:00 and having a diaper) swaddled and I've got the air conditioner on and the fan blowing on high which creates an obscene amount of noise but seems to be helping, at least insofar as when he pulled the screaming in the peapod routine, he didn't wake up LG down the hall.
I'm operating on, I think, a grand total of 8 hrs of very fragmented sleep across the past two days, and I am contemplating leaving him with my mother and a major stash of milk this weekend and checking myself into a hotel with my post-transfer-freakout valium. I don't think I'll actually do it, but it is tempting.
This is temporary, I know. He will outgrow it, I know. But if I could get him to sleep for even 2 consecutive hours at any point in the day I think I would be in heaven.
Update at 10:28 am: I am writing at the kitchen table so MMH can re-rock Tiny Boy, who woke, predictably, 20 minutes into his nap. Is it possible to have a sleep study done on an infant? Because I think there's more here than an inability to self-soothe. I actually wonder if his cortisol levels are permanently fucked from IUGR and prenatal steroids.
I am not a whackjob with unrealistic expectations. I do not believe that infants should sleep through the night without eating. I am willing to recognize that 5:00 am can be a legitimate wake-up time if the kid is well rested.
Right now, my priorities are to get Tiny Boy (and hopefully therefore myself) more sleep, and to get him to sleep in the crib, at least for naps and part of the night.
If you use CIO and it works for your family, great. If you are a major attachment parenting/co-sleeping advocate, and that works for your family, great. But please keep in mind--because you are talking to a majorly sleep deprived mama here--that not all sleep solutions work for all families. Some things I CANNOT AND WILL NOT DO:
1. Wear my baby to sleep.
2. Let him suck on me all night long.
3. Let my kid scream himself to sleep.
That said, my major parenting/sleep philosophy has been, since LG was tiny: healthy kids and healthy families require sleep; do what you need to do to get sleep. This has meant, among other things, putting LG to bed at 6:30 pm and skipping school functions. Co-sleeping until both parties involved weren't benefiting anymore. Walking Tiny Boy in the stroller for the entirety of a nap. Sitting with him in the rocking chair at 4:00 am. Keeping myself in bed with him for 2 hours if that gets him a reasonable nap.
But I am at my wits' end with Tiny Boy right now. And, honestly, I think Tiny Boy is tired (all puns intended) of his own behavior right now, as he is crying the desperate wail of the overtired baby. All my tricks--the rocking, the nursing, the walking, the pacifier--aren't working right now. Every night, we go through this stupid ritual during which he nurses, falls asleep, wakes up, screams his head off and thrashes around, at which point I put him in the peapod (aka the woombie) so he doesn't punch me, and jiggle him until he calms down enough to rock to sleep. And then he's awake 20-40 minutes later and we do the whole fucking thing over again. (Yes, he often pulls the same shit at naptime with his babysitter.)
Last night I actually let him cry in the middle of the night (maybe for 10 minutes). What that accomplished, apparently, was making him appreciate the breast I then popped in his mouth and then was in a deep enough sleep that I could dump him on the bed far enough away that we weren't touching and not hear from him again for 1.5 hrs. Which is pretty much a Tiny Boy record these days.
Right now, he's fallen back to sleep (you know, after nursing at 3:00 and 4:00 and 5:00 and having a diaper) swaddled and I've got the air conditioner on and the fan blowing on high which creates an obscene amount of noise but seems to be helping, at least insofar as when he pulled the screaming in the peapod routine, he didn't wake up LG down the hall.
I'm operating on, I think, a grand total of 8 hrs of very fragmented sleep across the past two days, and I am contemplating leaving him with my mother and a major stash of milk this weekend and checking myself into a hotel with my post-transfer-freakout valium. I don't think I'll actually do it, but it is tempting.
This is temporary, I know. He will outgrow it, I know. But if I could get him to sleep for even 2 consecutive hours at any point in the day I think I would be in heaven.
Update at 10:28 am: I am writing at the kitchen table so MMH can re-rock Tiny Boy, who woke, predictably, 20 minutes into his nap. Is it possible to have a sleep study done on an infant? Because I think there's more here than an inability to self-soothe. I actually wonder if his cortisol levels are permanently fucked from IUGR and prenatal steroids.
Oh this sounds so hard! I have no advice here because I'm just doing something that seems to work sometimes. Maybe the idea of bringing him to your mom is a good idea. Because being able to share the burden of not sleeping and trying to get a baby back to sleep is already pretty helpful I think.
ReplyDeleteI wish you strength and lots of sleep!
This sounds too, too familiar. Must be terse bc rt hand is out of commission due to cat bite, but:
ReplyDelete1 I am so sorry
2 bean was like this, except hated rocking, soothing, anything but bboob.
3 we did 2 phases of CIO for night wakings. Did no attention before midnight at ~7 mo; through night at 11. Worked fast, both times.
4 believe so e babies need push to learn to self-soothe. Not same as abandonment, etc.; tb needs you functional.
5 nothing but Iptime helped w obscene morning wake up timing.
6 all of this made easier by bean sleeping in own room.
Sympathies
Ugh. Sorry about cat bite.
ReplyDeleteReally not sure I can do CIO. Honestly tried with LG and all she did was scream; I'd cave in after 45-60 minutes. I knew someone whose HEALHTY kid screamed for maybe 4 hrs and never went to sleep. That would have been LG, I think. Tiny Boy has shown the same tenacity; he's cried for 30 min+ IN THE CAR and not fallen asleep.
I know it's not abandonment. But I'm not sure it's a method I can handle as a single parent... Need to do something, though!
Is tb the kind of baby who builds or releases tension w crying? Bean is second kind, which changes everything. Also means not letting him cry was path to badness. Tis means I have no real experience w other kind, though.
ReplyDeleteCould never have handled CIO without skyping with calmer, wiser friend the whole time. Is was awful. But! I do think bean is better off with more sleep and a saner mother.
Believe me, I know not all advice is the right one for your kid. And how annoying that is. No hard feelings if this won't work for you; hope something does.
So sorry Gwinne. I remember sleep issues with the twins but never this bad. For Sweet Potato, I think his issues were related to his allergies that I didn't know about yet. Besides the (obvious) scratching with his eczema, I think his stomach was upset from the foods. I hope this is not the case for Tiny Boy but it was for me so I wanted to mention it.
ReplyDeleteMaB--you know, it's certainly possible. He IS a kid who had reflux, and the eczema is definitely food-related at this point. But he seems to wake differently when he's not feeling well...and more with the spitting up.
ReplyDeleteBionic--he definitely gets stressed out from crying. BUT he does seem to require a little bit of fussing before he sleeps. It's like he's just saying "i don't want to sleep" and then he conks out...
Trying to be logical about what exactly the problems are, what I'm willing to do to solve them.
First of all, I'm so sorry. Sleep deprivation is utter hell and an overtired baby is no picnic on top of it.
ReplyDeleteI feel like sleep is so individual to every family that it's near impossible to offer advice. So I'll just tell you one thing that's been working pretty well for us lately. I have no doubt that it could fail tomorrow, so I'm not calling this some kind of cure. Also, you might already be doing this, I'm not sure. We've been putting G on a pretty strict day time nap routine and have a regular bedtime (naps at 9, 1 and 6:30-7:15 and bed at 9). She doesn't always sleep well, lord knows, but she has been waking much less at night since we stabilized the day. We paid someone $250 for this advice (which includes more than just this, but that's pretty much the heart of it) and it was worth every penny. Within two days she went from the All Night Party to waking several times but in a very sleepy way and going right back down with some nursing. Next we're going to work on a little night weaning but so far we feel like we're making progress.
Good luck!!
Fascinated by the late nap. How was it decided to let G nap that late and not call that bedtime? I ask because that's generally a window that Tiny Boy MUST sleep, because he's exhausted, regardless of when his afternoon nap is. Seemed pretty obvious to me that that should be bedtime, but it's possible I might save myself some stress by keeping him awake until 9:00 or so instead of trying to get him back to sleep after his initial wake up and then ignoring LG while I deal with fussy baby. Maybe I'll give that a shot and see what happens. Really, it can't make things much worse...
ReplyDeleteWe were very skeptical about this advice from the sleep consultant, but I think it might be the key. We had been putting G to bed at 7 and she would wake pretty much hourly (at best, sometimes more often) until we got into bed (at which point she would often WAKE UP). So now we're supposed to put her down at 6:30 and wake her up by 7:15 if she doesn't wake earlier herself. Waking the baby is the most counter-intuitive thing and we often end up with a crank ball until she wakes up fully. But the later bedtime has her sleeping so much better at night. The eventual goal is to merge that nap into an 8 o'clock bedtime sometime when the sleep lady tells us to. It's a slightly frustrating system right now because we have to put her down twice in the evening (she usually goes down readily at 6:30 but fights it more at 9) but it's also fun to have her up for an extra 90 minutes in the evening (for me, since I'm at work all day).
ReplyDeleteWhile I'm giving out the consultant's advice, she also stressed how important it is to have 3-4 bedtime routine things before the 9 sleep that stay the same every day. So we do diaper/pajamas, saying good night to the cats and house, singing a lullaby and then nursing or bottle.
Let me know if you try it - I hope something works for you soon!
I think I'll give the later bedtime a shot. It defies everything I've ever read about infant sleep, but will immediately solve one of my biggest problems, which is juggling bedtimes with LG and Tiny Boy. I'm already putting him down twice (or three times) at night, so this will just change the timing. The potential problem is that he'll lose an hour or more of night sleep, which, if he doesn't gain it in naps, will create a bigger problem than the one I currently have. I'll see if maybe a 5:00 pm nap and an 8:00 or 8:30 bedtime (also LG's) could work. He was on that schedule for a while when he was younger, actually...
ReplyDeleteI didn't have time to read all the logistics about the 3 naps plus later bedtime, with 3rd nap seeming as if it SHOULD be bedtime but isn't. However, I wanted to add quickly that this helped a lot with one of my sons; when he went to bed "for real" around 9, he tended to sleep longer and better, with less nighttime fussiness and nursing. I kept fighting this, in large part because I wanted some time to myself in the evening. I finally gave into it because trying to keep him asleep was terribly labor-intensive, and the little "me" time I might get was made stressful because it could end at any second.
ReplyDeleteYou've gotten excellent advice here, but I'd like to know what he's eating in addition to nursing. Could he be waking so much because he's hungry? My daughter is 7 months old and has never been a good sleeper, but one we started giving her more food her sleep habits improved greatly.
ReplyDeleteJust my $.02
I'm sorry you're going through this. I understand the sleep deprivation, unfortunately mines due to work instead of the kid so her sleeping through the night doesn't help me. But I am a sleep technician and spent two years specializing in pediatrics. I did studies on babies as young as a week old. There are a number of things that could be going on that could be effecting his sleep and is worth looking into especially since it sounds like staying asleep is one of his biggest problems. Talk to your pediatrician and be pushy if you have to. Many pediatricians aren't aware of and don't look for "medical" sleep issues especially in babies that appear to be healthy. Try to get a referral to a Sleep Physician and continue to be pushy, even some Sleep Physicians aren't as knowledgeable on pediatric sleep and peds just aren't small adults. Try to see a pediatric sleep doctor and ask if they're Boarded in sleep. And even then you may need to be pushy. Most sleep docs are pulmonologist and tend to focus only on respiratory. Make sure they look for everything. One thing that gets missed is reflex especially if the baby is eating normally and doesn't necessarily spit up. There are test they can do for that. Be pushy, be your sons advocate. I'm not sure where you live but look for a large children' hospital, they have a better chance of having a peds doc and also look for a dedicated peds sleep lab and not just an adult lab that does children. Good luck. If you need anymore info let me know.
ReplyDeletePeace Momma, peace. Holy shit that sounds like baby hell.
ReplyDeleteI started Jay on solids just before 6 months. I dont think I saw any change in his waking until I let him cry.
Car doesnt work for him either.
At one point I was feeding every 2 horus. Then I shut it all down. I set my limit to 10 mins cry. He gave me 9. Now we have 2 feedings a night.
It SUCKS but man am I better off for it.
Did I already tell you this?
Tried without swaddling and/or tummy sleeping recently?
ReplyDeleteI've made every mistake possible when it comes to sleep with Finn (most of them knowingly and out of desperation). CIO doesn't work for us either - he just screams angry screams. I don't have any good suggestions for you at all, but lots and lots of sympathy!
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